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Post by the answer on Jul 28, 2005 15:51:47 GMT -5
Some people say D and Hell all the time as CHRISTIANS but have no problem with it. Cuz they don't view them as curse words.
How do we determine what is a curse word and what isn't?
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Post by SOLAFIDE on Jul 28, 2005 16:35:08 GMT -5
Well lets see cursing really is based on an indivdual's morals. There is really no Scriptural reference that cursing is sinning... we just find it wrong as morally wrong.
Now of course there were words like the a word but that was used as donkey, and the d word was used as d**ned meaning cursed. Now all the other curse words like the b word was originally used as other connotations as a female dog but we as fleshy sinners have turned the meanings of these words into words that are MORALLY wrong... Biblical... no references.
Now in the Bible there are references to blaspheming the Holy Spirit and that was considered as cursing but thats not the cursing we are talking about in this thread right. Were talking about the "bad words"..
Well personally I just think theyre not good to say in the way we use them. But I mean when you say the b word and you actually are refering to a female dog then no it isnt cursing or wrong, but when you use that you are referring to a woman than yes I believe its cursing and disrespectful... but there is really no Scriptural evidence that backs up my reasoning or this question for that matter. It really just depends on morals and the way you were brought up.
Personally I think if you curse all your life and youre truly saved, you'll go to heaven cause it is not defined as a sin but I also think since we as people have obviously persuaded that cursing is in fact wrong, then we as true believers wouldnt do something that is morally wrong.
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Post by the answer on Jul 28, 2005 16:45:14 GMT -5
what about this passage
4 and there must be no filthiness and silly talk, or coarse jesting, which are not fitting, but rather giving of thanks.
Eph 5:4
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Post by SOLAFIDE on Jul 28, 2005 16:47:04 GMT -5
Well see in that case... it would be considered filthiness so I guess it is a sin.. hmmmmm who knew???
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Post by eternal on Jul 28, 2005 16:48:35 GMT -5
Something intended to hurt another person?
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Post by SOLAFIDE on Jul 28, 2005 16:56:07 GMT -5
Not that kinda cursing like witch cusing but like "bad words"
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Post by eternal on Jul 28, 2005 17:23:01 GMT -5
Not that kinda cursing like witch cusing but like "bad words" pZ SOLAFIDE I know. And I would still say anything that is intended to hurt another person. Curse words were only defined as such by an elitist people, who looked down on the language of the peasant class of the nation they invaded. Why would I support their bigotry by upholding their classist standards? I don't say certain words merely for respect of others who disagree, but I got no problem with people saying them cassualy, and am never offended. I gots problems with folks who only know how to say certain words, which betrays their ignorance and lack of education. This can cross over to any word, such as "like" or "bassicaly," or "moterf^ker," it don't matter. But as far as offense, it only shows itself in my eyes, when it is intended to hurt someone else. |
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Post by the answer on Jul 28, 2005 19:25:04 GMT -5
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How then would u interpret that passage. Eph 5:4 Joking is usually not intended to hurt someone, but rather it is used to make them laugh. What then is course joking?
You have no problem if a christian sees a nice looking girl and says d**n she is fine? Right after church, or even in church, just as long as it doesn't hurt anyone? Can u claify?
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Post by eternal on Jul 29, 2005 15:12:55 GMT -5
Who gets to say that "d**n" is a horrible word? In some contexts it can be, such as to d**n someone. That is presumptious, judgmental, and unloving for another human being to do. As an expression, who made that up, and with what authority, that it is ungodly? It certainly wasn't God, so what human, or human institution did?
As far as coarse joking, it does hurt. If it is sexual talk, it degrades women, men, and the union of mairrage that God has instituted, as well as making ease of things that are very harmful psychologicaly, socially, etc...sex is a very special thing that can hurt people when in the wrong context, and making jesting inappropriately..taking sex outside of its propper context and appropriating it in a new and substandared one, is detremental.
It is intentional then, and it is also in ignorance. But again, coarse jesting is not CURSING or SWEARING as we are talking about here, at least not what I was responding to.
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Post by the answer on Jul 29, 2005 16:36:48 GMT -5
ok..I see your point about joking and I agree
yeah the passage talks about filthly language and ridding it from our lips. What is this "filthy language?"
Why is it the "world" sees these words as offensive, yet as believers ( some of us) we don't? If the world "bleeps" these words out, even they feel they are wrong to say in certain contexts.
Some words that we use as swear words today, have pure original meanings. But over time they took on a different nature and were used as swear words.
I mean it's like the lil John song where they say "awww skeet skeet skeet" You know what skeet is? It's male semon. Now should we go around saying "ahhhh skeet skeet", when we know what it means?
I guess that's my point. There are words that mean vulgar things, or point to them. I feel these are improper for God's people. And even the world sees them as wrong.
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Post by ChristVader on Jul 29, 2005 18:23:58 GMT -5
It is God who looks on the heart and determins things as moral, immoral, or amoral. All things are Lawful...but not profitable. Profitable toward what? Profitable toward loving the Lord your God with all your heart and Your neighbor as yourself? Yes I think so. Heard some interesting research on this one time that had shown that "base language" always origionated with the lower cast systems of society OR, BIG "OR" here, from the tribe or community that had been "conquered". The logical progression of the researchers thoughts were that as the Generations and time past by, the "base" language begins to be adopted by those who have no memory of having won the battle. Example: During the time when bows and arrows were used for combat, the army who won would simply remove the middle finger from the captured archers. This led to the remaining archers who had NOT yet surrendered or been captured, pointing their middle finger in the air at their oppressors. Hense the "bird", the "finger" became a symbol that truely embodies the four letter word and thought, that now is synonomous with it: "f**k you....I still got mine". Arguably the same message of "don't tread on me". Just good ol' basic human rights idea's that came long before the organized movement called human rights. I have heard that "sh*t" was thought of no differently than "b*tch" back during the feudal erra. It was the word for refuse. But it was used by the Pesants and not the Aristocracy. We now find everyone from the President  to the Fortune 500 guru's dropping it as freely as a child saying "Momma". My Grandparents would never have said words like "laxative" and such. But now Grandpa blushes when the Total Cereal commercial comes on advertizing "Fiber"!  Go figure! Oh well, I was raised where you couldn't even say words that sounded like bad words. "Shoot" would get a spanking  . Hail was marked out of the Science books  . And "d**e" was used instead of Dam  . Oh, and the King James was the only way to Heaven  . Unless you dropped it in the mud. Then it was a quick trip to hell! ;D |
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Post by the answer on Jul 29, 2005 19:03:34 GMT -5
WOW Christ vader...you have other thoughts other then preterism LOL ;D I agree with alot u said. Whatever the way they started, they have changed. If the word camera became a word for the female privates tomorrow in slang, just because it's a word we use in certain contexts t hat are ok now, doesn't mean we can say " I wanna hit that girls camera" It's the intention. When u say these words u are saying them to express anger or disgust, and we know what those words are INTENDED to convey. Good points  1 |
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Post by ChristVader on Jul 30, 2005 1:28:24 GMT -5
Yup!
No doubt Answer.
Thats why I sarted with what I believe to be the bottom line: Loving the God of Scripture with all of your heart!
Imagine that! A Heretic encouraging folks to seek God first in all that they do and SAY!!! lol
Seriously though, thanks for the encouragment! Glad you are back from your trip safetly.
Kent
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Post by eternal on Jul 30, 2005 18:02:25 GMT -5
ok..I see your point about joking and I agree yeah the passage talks about filthly language and ridding it from our lips. What is this "filthy language?" Why is it the "world" sees these words as offensive, yet as believers ( some of us) we don't? If the world "bleeps" these words out, even they feel they are wrong to say in certain contexts. Some words that we use as swear words today, have pure original meanings. But over time they took on a different nature and were used as swear words. I mean it's like the lil John song where they say "awww skeet skeet skeet" You know what skeet is? It's male semon. Now should we go around saying "ahhhh skeet skeet", when we know what it means? I guess that's my point. There are words that mean vulgar things, or point to them. I feel these are improper for God's people. And even the world sees them as wrong. 1 Filthy language would be sexual degredation, hurtful words, etc. Not particular words that who knows who says is bad. Societies once said that certain foods were "unclean," yet Jesus, Peter, and Paul all made great strides in trying to show this to be untrue. Now we wrangle over the same issue only with "words." And it isn't really the world who sees them as filthy and we don't, I think it is the other way around. I know church ladies who will flip a wig if you say, "dang," "darn" or even "heck." Shoot, I even got yelled at for saying "shoot" before! I think Pauls words about our liberty not being used to hurt others is important, but at the same time his advice to not allow our liberty to be squashed by others is likewise informing. It is a hard road to walk, as is evidenced by the great debates of his day concerning meats and days. Love though is our motivating factor, and I don't want to offend people, so I don't say certain words I think they will find offensive. But I am also cautious to not censure myself to death for THEIR benefiet. Maybe they NEED to be shocked! Tightroppin... Are the words sinful in and of themselves? No. But they can be used to sin, and with that we must be careful. And likewise careful that this rule applies not only to vocabulary, but pretty much everything in life. |
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Post by brotha on Jul 31, 2005 7:51:48 GMT -5
if jesus would say it then say it if he wouldnt then dont say it go by wha you thank jesus would say
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Post by the answer on Jul 31, 2005 23:10:20 GMT -5
yo E
I'm curious what words do u say on a regular, that u think people find wrong. I want u to give the actual words!
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Post by eternal on Aug 1, 2005 12:49:31 GMT -5
I don't really say any. Sorry |
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Post by the answer on Aug 1, 2005 15:49:37 GMT -5
Love though is our motivating factor, and I don't want to offend people, so I don't say certain words I think they will find offensive. But I am also cautious to not censure myself to death for THEIR benefiet. Maybe they NEED to be shocked! Tightroppin..
It was this comment that made me ask that!
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to the Fortune 500 guru's dropping it as freely as a child saying "Momma".
Go figure!
. Hail was marked out of the Science books 
. And "d**e" was used instead of Dam 
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. Unless you dropped it in the mud. Then it was a quick trip to hell! ;D 