Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 13:09:55 GMT -5
A wonderful brother in Christ. And one many topics the dude carries much wisdom. But reguarding the giftings of the Spirit I believe he is lacking.
Anyone can click on this link to his study of 1 Cor 13 and agree with me.
www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1871.htm
Let me just give a few quotes of his:
This is not what Paul was talking about, and in fact there was plenty of revelatory prophecy among the NT church, Roldan would agree. Jonny Mac is way off on this point. The verse in Corinthians is DEF talking about revelatory prophecy, if it was not, then ceasationists have ZERO argument from the text in 1 Cor when they claim the "perfect" is the completed bible.
Paul never hinted this, J Mac is simply rewriting the chapter to his own preference, probalby to help his attack on the Charismatic church. Paul cleary reinforces the gift of tounges through the letter to Corith, yet simply give instructions on it's order and secondary role compared to prophecy (genuine prophecy, not preaching or teaching).
Should the words of a man this confused on an issue be given consideration when you are deciding your doctrinal stance?
Anyone can click on this link to his study of 1 Cor 13 and agree with me.
www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg1871.htm
Let me just give a few quotes of his:
You see, tongues are secondary. Paul is saying, "When you come together to worship, instead of having the chaos, confusion, and gibberish of tongues, you should have the clarity of prophecy."
The verb "to prophesy" in the Greek is propheteuo. It comes from the two words pro, which means "before," and phemi, which means "to speak." Literally, then, the verb propheteuo means "to speak before." To prophesy is to speak before somebody else. That's what I do every Sunday from the pulpit--prophesy.
.....Now, there were times in the early church when the gift of prophecy was revelatory. And there were also times when the gift involved reiterating revelation that had already been given. But the point that I want to make here is that the church is to come together to hear the Word of God spoken-- not to hear an ecstatic and emotional free-for-all. All things are to be done to edify. We are to gather to hear God speak to us through men who have been given the gift of preaching and teaching. So Paul says, "More than seeking tongues, you should seek that which is intelligible-- prophecy."
The verb "to prophesy" in the Greek is propheteuo. It comes from the two words pro, which means "before," and phemi, which means "to speak." Literally, then, the verb propheteuo means "to speak before." To prophesy is to speak before somebody else. That's what I do every Sunday from the pulpit--prophesy.
.....Now, there were times in the early church when the gift of prophecy was revelatory. And there were also times when the gift involved reiterating revelation that had already been given. But the point that I want to make here is that the church is to come together to hear the Word of God spoken-- not to hear an ecstatic and emotional free-for-all. All things are to be done to edify. We are to gather to hear God speak to us through men who have been given the gift of preaching and teaching. So Paul says, "More than seeking tongues, you should seek that which is intelligible-- prophecy."
This is not what Paul was talking about, and in fact there was plenty of revelatory prophecy among the NT church, Roldan would agree. Jonny Mac is way off on this point. The verse in Corinthians is DEF talking about revelatory prophecy, if it was not, then ceasationists have ZERO argument from the text in 1 Cor when they claim the "perfect" is the completed bible.
At the Tower of Babel, God confused the languages of men. The only other biblical incident that can rival that confusion of languages is the confusion of tongues at Corinth. They had so confused their understanding of the gift of tongues, that they had substituted the reality for a satanic counterfeit. Because of this, Paul had to write an entire chapter just to deal with that issue
Paul never hinted this, J Mac is simply rewriting the chapter to his own preference, probalby to help his attack on the Charismatic church. Paul cleary reinforces the gift of tounges through the letter to Corith, yet simply give instructions on it's order and secondary role compared to prophecy (genuine prophecy, not preaching or teaching).
Should the words of a man this confused on an issue be given consideration when you are deciding your doctrinal stance?