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Post by DoGMaTiX on Sept 29, 2005 16:03:36 GMT -5
Real quick Eternal on your response to my other post.
To me it seems that you are implying that God created out of Necessity. Because he is generous?
How does that solve the problem of Evil?
Did God know that one of His creatures(Lucifer)would revolt and cause evil and sin? Why did he go ahead with His creation?
Is God not capable of creating out of necessity a FREE and NONcorruptable humanity from the get go?
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Post by eternal on Sept 29, 2005 16:37:00 GMT -5
Real quick Eternal on your response to my other post. To me it seems that you are implying that God created out of Necessity. Because he is generous? How does that solve the problem of Evil? Did God know that one of His creatures(Lucifer)would revolt and cause evil and sin? Why did he go ahead with His creation? Is God not capable of creating out of necessity a FREE and NONcorruptable humanity from the get go? Does a habitual liar lie out of necessity? Or because it is part of their character? As a person who works with teens on a daily basis I have met plenty of kids who lie just to lie, with no necessity present. It's just a part of their chracter. And that doesn't solve the "problem" of evil. It was a reply to a particular question you asked, of why God created at all. Now the lucifer question is the same as when you asked about the little girl getting raped. Just a different entity. See my reply there. Is God "capable" of creating...I'm sure. He is capable, but apparently He desired this particular type of creation. Apparently He wanted to have a people who have choice, and could function in that kind of life. |
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Post by king neb on Sept 29, 2005 16:39:40 GMT -5
Rick,
thank you for the response, and i seriously mean that..
im am wrapping things up here at work and will try to respond in length later tonight when my chillins are in bed.
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Post by DoGMaTiX on Sept 29, 2005 17:03:09 GMT -5
Is God "capable" of creating...I'm sure. He is capable, but apparently He desired this particular type of creation. This type of creation? So God could've created a different type without sin, right? Now we are getting somewhere. Again, how does that solve evil. For God still created the source of the Evil, lucifer. |
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Post by eternal on Sept 29, 2005 17:39:58 GMT -5
please explain to me the problem of sin.
Also, I could be mistaken, but I am pretty sure I made a long post somewhere on this thread...
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Post by the answer on Sept 29, 2005 19:16:37 GMT -5
u talkin about the one on page 2?
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Post by eternal on Sept 29, 2005 19:43:13 GMT -5
u talkin about the one on page 2? You're right there was two long posts on page 2. Just want Roldan to interact with what I write too, and not just make me follow his rabbit trail of questions. Just a respect factor. |
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Post by the answer on Sept 29, 2005 19:51:42 GMT -5
oh ok I thought u thought he deleted it  |
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Post by DoGMaTiX on Sept 30, 2005 11:03:40 GMT -5
u talkin about the one on page 2? You're right there was two long posts on page 2. Just want Roldan to interact with what I write too, and not just make me follow his rabbit trail of questions. Just a respect factor. I apologize if you think that I'm not interacting with your post. I did quote part of your post in reference to the issue and my questions are the result of my interaction of your replies. No disrespect intended. I will reply to your previous post soon. Sola Agape |
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Post by king neb on Oct 3, 2005 21:10:05 GMT -5
yo,
i very rarely do this, but i'm gonna pass on this for now. i was planning on typing some stuff up this past weekend, but my father in law was visiting and we took the fam to the river all day saturday. while i was floating downstream for 3 hours, i chewed on this topic quite a bit. i think one of the biggest problems the topic has had in the past is people not defining their terms. ex: how are we defining 'author'? and if you have read the debates/objections from the past, there is not a consistency with words. some who affirm that God is 'author of sin' may say 'create' instead, as well as affirm first and secondary causes, while another person who also affirms it sticks with 'author' and dumps the secondary cause stuff. I have seen it argued a number of ways, and to be honest, i haven't completely been satisfied with anyone's phraseology....i even wrestle with Clark. Not that i have a problem with how far he took it, because i may take it farther.... it boils down to me chewing through it some more and defining terms, etc., and i would like to use as much "Biblical" phraseology as possible.
i'm wanting to make this more 'official' for my own benefit and nail some stuff down.
anywho, carry on...Rick, look forward to your 'continued..'
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