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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 10:07:59 GMT -5
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[glow=red,1,300]But when will that perfection come? It begins, indeed, at death, for then we put off, along with the body, many infirmities; but it will not be completely manifested until the day of judgment[/glow]
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 10:15:18 GMT -5
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[glow=red,1,300]Charity is much to be preferred to the gifts on which the Corinthians prided themselves. From its longer continuance. It is a grace, lasting as eternity. The present state is a state of childhood, the future that of manhood. Such is the difference between earth and heaven. What narrow views, what confused notions of things, have children when compared with grown men! Thus shall we think of our most valued gifts of this world, when we come to heaven. All things are dark and confused now, compared with what they will be hereafter. They can only be seen as by the reflection in a mirror, or in the description of a riddle; but hereafter our knowledge will be free from all obscurity and error. It is the light of heaven only, that will remove all clouds and darkness that hide the face of God from us. To sum up the excellences of charity, it is preferred not only to gifts, but to other graces, to faith and hope. Faith fixes on the Divine revelation, and assents thereto, relying on the Divine Redeemer. Hope fastens on future happiness, and waits for that; but in heaven, faith will be swallowed up in actual sight, and hope in enjoyment. There is no room to believe and hope, when we see and enjoy. But there, love will be made perfect. There we shall perfectly love God. And there we shall perfectly love one another.[/glow]
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 10:18:13 GMT -5
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[glow=red,1,300]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part - The wisest of men have here but short, narrow, imperfect conceptions, even of the things round about them, and much more of the deep things of God. And even the prophecies which men deliver from God are far from taking in the whole of future events, or of that wisdom and knowledge of God which is treasured up in the scripture Revelation.
But when that which is perfect is come - At death and in the last day. That which is in part shall vanish away - Both that poor, low, imperfect, glimmering light, which is all the knowledge we now can attain to; and these slow and unsatisfactory methods of attaining, as well as of imparting it to others.
In our present state we are mere infants in point of knowledge, compared to what we shall be hereafter. I put away childish things - Of my own accord, willingly, without trouble.
Now we see - Even the things that surround us. But by means of a glass - Or mirror, which reflects only their imperfect forms, in a dim, faint, obscure manner; so that our thoughts about them are puzzling and intricate, and everything is a kind of riddle to us. But then - We shall see, not a faint reflection, but the objects themselves. Face to face - Distinctly. Now I know in part - Even when God himself reveals things to me, great part of them is still kept under the veil. But then I shall know even as also I am known - In a clear, full, comprehensive manner; in some measure like God, who penetrates the center of every object, and sees at one glance through my soul and all things[/glow]
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 10:23:15 GMT -5
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[glow=red,1,300]But when that which is perfect is come,.... When perfect knowledge of God, of Christ, and of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven shall take place; which will not in this life, but in that which is to come. So the Jews say {r} that at the resurrection, upon the reunion of the soul and body, "the children of men shall attain to hmylv hed, 'perfect knowledge';" which is what the apostle refers to here:
and then that which is in part, shall be done away: the imperfection of knowledge shall be removed; the imperfect manner of communicating knowledge, and of receiving and acquiring it, will cease: thus the apostle explains what he means by the cessation and failing of knowledge, and prophecy; not that knowledge itself will be no more, and a state of ignorance and darkness succeed; but imperfect knowledge will vanish away, or rather will be perfected, or be swallowed up in perfect knowledge; the imperfection of it will disappear; and it will be no more taught and received in part; the whole of truth will be clearly known[/glow]
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Post by DoGMaTiX on Jul 15, 2005 11:51:52 GMT -5
John Calvin
I don't agree with him on this issue as well as other reformers who take Calvin's approach to that passage. But they are in minority in the Reformed camp.
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 12:04:57 GMT -5
They are a huge majority among all of the founders of the Reformed camp. Only in the last 100 year has the concept of ceasationism become widespread, or spread at all for that matter.
Probably as a result of the wide spread Charismatic movement which also carried with it many wolves among the pure saints.
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 12:35:04 GMT -5
The first quote is by Calvin yes, see if you can figure out the rest.
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 12:48:55 GMT -5
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[glow=red,1,300]We know only in part. Beloved, the objects we look at are distant, and we are near-sighted. The revelation of God is ample and profound, but our understanding is weak and shallow.[/glow]
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Post by DoGMaTiX on Jul 15, 2005 14:14:52 GMT -5
They are a huge majority among all of the founders of the Reformed camp. Only in the last 100 year has the concept of ceasationism become widespread, or spread at all for that matter. Probably as a result of the wide spread Charismatic movement which also carried with it many wolves among the pure saints. WRONG  |
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 14:50:15 GMT -5
RIGHT, come on guess the other mystery quotes...
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Post by ctide1 on Jul 15, 2005 14:51:44 GMT -5
Give me somebody who disagrees with Calvin on this issue that came from the 1800s or earlier. Ceasationism is a reaction to the charismatic explosion over the last 100 years.
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Post by eternal on Jul 15, 2005 15:32:54 GMT -5
Give me somebody who disagrees with Calvin on this issue that came from the 1800s or earlier. Ceasationism is a reaction to the charismatic explosion over the last 100 years. I think it has more to do with Western fascination with rationalism and control. |
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Post by DoGMaTiX on Jul 15, 2005 18:09:50 GMT -5
I think its from an extensive exegetical analysis of the scriptures ;D
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Post by the answer on Jul 16, 2005 3:59:22 GMT -5
Give me somebody who disagrees with Calvin on this issue that came from the 1800s or earlier. Ceasationism is a reaction to the charismatic explosion over the last 100 years. I think it has more to do with Western fascination with rationalism and control. the west believes in rationalism and control? hmmmm i dunno if I can get with that..seems to be the opposite ;D |
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