Sabbath ...

[gertzadik]

This was born out of another thread, but I thought it would be interesting to talk about. Sabbath is now Sunday? Lets discuss this ...

Biblical Sabbath begins Friday @ Sundown and lasts until Saturday @ Sundown, therefore its an error to say "Sabbath is Saturday." It also includes Friday ... problems arise when we try and use a Gregorian Calendar instead of a Hebrew Calendar.

BASIS FOR WORSHIPPING ON THE 7TH DAY (not saturday)

Exd 16:26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, [which is] the sabbath, in it there shall be none.

Exd 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Exd 20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exd 31:14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Lev 24:8 Every sabbath he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, [being taken] from the children of Israel by an everlasting covenant.

Deu 5:12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.

Psa 92:1 [[A Psalm [or] Song for the sabbath day.]] [It is a] good [thing] to give thanks unto the LORD, and to sing praises unto thy name, O most High:

Isa 56:2 Blessed [is] the man [that] doeth this, and the son of man [that] layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

Isa 58:13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, [from] doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking [thine own] words:

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

Now why would Y'shua say that?

Mat 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Now why didnt she come at the begining of the Sabbath?

Mar 1:21 And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

Luk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Gathering on the 7th Day

Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Gentiles on the Sabbath? After Ressurection?

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Paul's manner was Sabbath Worship

[jnorm88]

gertzadik,



What does sabbath observance have to do with me.....a gentile christian?




INLOVE Jnorm

[gertzadik]

I have barely added any of my own words, this is simply what is said in the Scriptures.

Numbers 15:15

One ordinance [shall be both] for you of the congregation, and also for the stranger that sojourneth [with you], an ordinance for ever in your generations: as ye [are], so shall the stranger be before the LORD.

Acts 13:44

And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Which in context of the Chapter speaks of both Judeans & Gentines

And what has really spoke to me as of lately ...

Act 15:19-21

Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood. For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

& I thought there was no difference between Jew & Gentile. Would you agree with that?

peace

[jnorm88]

There is no difference in Christ Jesus but there is a difference when it comes to customs, feast days, holy holidays.....ect



And just because Paul was preaching from the scriptures on the sabbath doesn't mean he was fellowshipping with the Saints....all believers.


Paul had a custom of first going to the synagogue on the Sabbath and after that meeting with the believers on the Lord's day.


And those old testment versus you pulled out are talking about the Old Covenant. Not the New.


The Kingdom was a physical national Kingdom at that time. It's now an international Kingdom filled with Jews and Gentiles.

That law can not be applied outside the physical land of Isreal.




INLOVE Jnorm

[gertzadik]

Why wouldnt it be applied?

Its a specific precept and is mentioned as ETERNAL.

I really cannot see how someone can explain away the simplicity of this.

peace

[jnorm88]

Those were for God fearing gentiles of the Old Covenant.


Not for Gentiles in Christ Jesus



INLOVE Jnorm

[jnorm88]

Paul mentioned over and over and over again why I can't observe the Law in the same manner as a Jew.



Gentiles in Christ are semi-Torahites.


Jews in Christ are Torahites





INLOVE Jnorm

[gertzadik]

Numbers 15:15 says there is One Law for all ... Foreigners & Iraelites.

Check these verses, they include Jew & Gentile-

Act 13:14 But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down.

Gathering on the 7th Day

Act 13:44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Gentiles on the Sabbath? After Ressurection?

Act 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

Also, I thought you agreed that there was not Jew or Gentile, but youre still making a distinction.

Another issue- this is not a discussion on the Law. This is a simple discussion on Sabbath. The Father said (not Paul) that it is an ETERNAL statute to be observed by all. (peep Lev 24:8).

peace

[jnorm88]

8"(F)Every sabbath day he shall set it in order before the LORD (G)continually; it is an everlasting covenant for the sons of Israel.




Are you a physical son of ISREAL or a spiritual son of ISREAL?


"1Some men came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the brothers: "Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved." 2This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question."



Galatians 5:3
Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law.


They were not obligated to keep the law because they were not circumcised according to the Law of Moses.


"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses."


I assume that they quoted the same versus you did. But the council of Acts freed gentiles from such rules.

Gentiles might obey those rules after the second Advent but not now for we have no earthly Kingdom to call our home.



"6The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: "Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.""




Now if I was in the land of Isreal I would observe it as a custom but not as a rule for salvation.




INLOVE Jnorm

[gertzadik]

I am not a physical descendant of Israel. Im simply a kid who was confronted with Truth-- Y'shua did not start a new religion.

As far as the conversation at hand Im a little confused where you stand. You say that there is no difference between Jew & Gentile yet you continue to distinguish between them.

Also- there is a huge diff between Torah Moshe (the law of Moses) and Torah YHWH (the law of YHWH). Look up law in the Strong's Concordance & you will see that there is many laws, applying to many people ...

Lev 14:2 This shall be the law of the leper in the day of his cleansing ...

Lev 15:32 This [is] the law of him that hath an issue, and [of him] whose seed goeth from him, and is defiled therewith ...

Num 6:13 And this [is] the law of the Nazarite ...

There are many many more examples ... Different laws for different situations, right?

The Law of Moses is dead. The Law of YHWH outlasts the heavens and earth!

This is of extreme importance to comprehend. When someone makes a statement like "The Law is dead," it is a huge overstatement. Exactly what law?

Y'shua & The Tanak ("OT") clearly teach the The Law of YHWH will continue to be held in the New Covenant.

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the YHWH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

You have used quotes which clearly include the Law of Moses. I agree ... Circumcision is another word for "conversion." Ill quote Daniel Lancaster "A disciple is more than a convert." This is the pt. being made in Scripture that you are quoting. Being saved is NOT a ritual conversion- its an inward change. Thats why the law of YHWH is written on our hearts now. How wonderful.

Sabbath is included in the Law of YHWH. It makes no difference if you want to call yourself a Jew of Gentile. There is ONE LAW for both ...

Exd 12:49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num 15:16 One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.

Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, [both for] him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Since there is no Temple, many laws cannot be applied today ... ritual imputities, offerings, etc ...

Now- this is not about laying a burden. This is about NOT working! How else can we define grace then by NOT working? Sababth is the best example I can think of.

I hope this makes sense to you, if not get at me ...

peace